Another Comparable Call question

Hi all

 

1D from opener 2C from next to play followed by 1H.

Player who bid 1H has 4 hearts and 6 HCPs and doesn't have any great desire to bid 2H!

1) System says after 1D-2C a double guarantees one of the majors with tolerance to go back to 3D if partner chooses the wrong one. Is X a CC? If not, is pass a CC?

 

2) System says after 1D-2C a double guarantees both the majors an. Is X a CC? If not, is pass a CC? 

 

Cheers

 

Ed

 

 

 

 

Started by Ed Roggeveen on 25 Sep 2018 at 04:53PM

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  1. NICK WHITTEN30 Sep 2018 at 09:04AM

    Hi Ed

    I was hoping a National Director would answer this but it looks like thats not going to happen

    So here is my view

    In (1) X would NOT be comparable as it is not "more precise"
    The withdrawn bid tells partner the suit is hearts not spades

    In (2) X showing hearts AND spades is more precise than the withdrawn bid (which showed hearts without confirming or denying the presence of a spade suit)

    In either case 2H would be comparable (10+ (or whatever) is more precise than 6+)

    BUT if opener avoids getting too high by allowing for the possibility partner is weaker than "normal" that is a case where Law 23C kicks in

    cheers
    Nick

     

  2. Dougal WATSON07 Oct 2018 at 09:01PM

    I *hate* Law 23A2 - the 'subset' arm of the comparable call law.

    Looking at your question I came to an entirely different outcome to Nick's.

    I saw none of the three options you mentioned as being Comparable Calls (CCs).

    In the first two, the doubles, I saw the original insufficient 1H as possibly being a subset bid of those doubles ... but not the other way round. I also thought that the doubles were not of 'same or similar' meaning (Law23A1) or had 'the same purpose" (Law 23A3).

    The pass, I saw as being more limited in it’s point count range than the 1H, but with a much wider range of card distributions. You could pass here with zero-hearts and 8HCP. To my mind that is also not comparable to the original 1H.

    If confronted with this situation in a session I'd have probably adjudged none of those as being comparable and would have proceeded accordingly. Having said that I confess to continuing to have great difficulty with the intended meaning of that 'subset' provision, and hymbly accept the possibility (even likelihood) that I am entirely wrong.

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